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What You Really Need Every Day: A Longevity Skincare Routine

Dr. Tiina Meder Episode 71

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I want to strip skincare right down to what you actually need every day, not for anti-aging, but for active longevity. Not a routine built around trends or panic-buying ten serums, but one built the way a good hotel director plans maintenance: calmly, strategically, and with a clear idea of what keeps the building running.

In this episode I walk through the four essential pillars of a longevity routine: a gentle cleanser that cleans without stripping, an antioxidant serum that acts as your skin's firefighters and energy support, a good moisturizer that works like smart climate control, and a situational sunscreen wardrobe that respects where and how you actually live. I also take on the elephant in the beauty aisle (retinol) and explain honestly why, as a cosmetic safety expert, I see daily strong retinol as anti-aging at any cost rather than true longevity. By the end, my hope is that you can look at your bathroom shelf and tell the difference between what genuinely supports your skin's long-term function and what is just pretty decoration in the lobby.

Read:

Future‑Proof Skin: Science, Skin Biohacking and Töörõõm – the Secret Life of Your Skin Hotel by Tiina Meder


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Glow Is Not a Trend, It Is a Reflection of Skin Health with Dr. Brendan Khong

Beat Jet Lag: Skincare, Sleep & Travel Secrets

The 19th Century Discovery Behind the Future of Skincare

Biohacking Your Skin: Working With Your Biology, Not Against It


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You want healthy glowing skin, but with all the products, trends and conflicting advice, it's hard to know what actually works. I understand. I am Dr. Tina Mether, former cardiologist and specialist in the skincare development and cosmetic safety expert. I spent years studying the science of skin. Welcome to Matter Beauty Podcast, where we uncover what really matters, break down the science and give you real expert back skincare advice. Whether you're looking to achieve ready and healthy skin, curious about anti-aging or want to understand what's really in your product, you are in the right place. Rooted in science and the truth about what your skin actually needs? We'll have in-depth conversations with leading dermatologists, medical experts, and skincare brand founders to bring you the latest innovation, evidence-based insights, and industry secrets that truly make a difference. We are so happy you are here. So let's go. Hello and welcome to the Skin Believe in podcast. And today I want to discuss how to run your skin hotel. Speaking in my favorite metaphor, if we are speaking about the skin agent management as a management of the luxury skin hotel, everything makes sense. So today I will try to strip the skincare right down to what you really need. To probably minimalistic skincare routine for every day, if you go, it's not just anti-aging, if you are not just looking to camouflage or cover your visible age signs. If you are looking for active longevity, if you want to prevent your skin aging, if you want to slow down the skin aging. And you know what? Now it is possible theoretically and even practically to reverse the skin aging, even in the smallest bit. It makes a lot of sense. So active longevity will help your skin function better for as many years as possible. We will not build the skincare routine around TikTok trends or some panic buyers buying 10 serums in all duty free around the world. We are going to build the way a good hotel plan the management. So we will be very calm, we will be very strategic, and I get some really clear idea of what keeps the building open and welcoming. So we will discuss four essential pillars. First, good cleansing. So think about housekeeping, not chemical warfare. Another part, an antioxidant and maybe moisturizing serum. It is your hotel firefighters and energy support, electric serums, good quality moisturizer, that's the climate control of your hotel, and also it's a little bit design and furnishing team. And finally, sunscreen. Protection, roof, walls, insulation, protection from the leaking, everything. By the end of this episode, I hope that you will be able to look at your shelf in the bathroom, to look at your skincare product, and be able to recognize product which actually contributes to skin longevity and not serve just as a crystal chandelier or decoration in the lobby of your beautiful hotel. So let's start with housekeeping. What is the good gentle cleanser? Actually, it sounds simple, but if we are speaking in the term of luxury hotel, you know no one cleans a room in the five-star hotel with bleach, with harsh products that smell like chlorine and bleach the carpets and towels. You would never accept it as a guest in five stars. Somehow many people think that a good cleanse means a tight, sweaky, overstripped, squeaky clean sensation. It's exactly like you are cleaning your luxury hotel as some kind of very big canteen kitchen. Your skin hotel has a protective mantle, which is very complicated. It's very complex. Only natural moisturizing factor, it is a substance covering your skin, helping to hold the water on the skin surface, contains more than 120 different molecules. And all of them together, they act in the cooperation, like, let's say, high-quality protection. It is beautiful wallpaper, carpets, air in the room, furniture, everything is beautiful, clean, but a little bit fragile. If you are using the harsh for me stripping cleanser for your luxury skin hotel, it's like you are scrubbing antique mirror or silk wallpapers with industrial disinfectant every night. Obviously, you will see the damage very probably from the very first day. Active longevity cleanser should do only three things, but all the three things are very important. First, you should remove what must be removed. So, makeup, pollution particles, excessive sebum, sunscreen, some oxidated dead cells from the skin surface. But in the same time, gentle, microbiome-friendly cleanser should respect what must say. Your precious lipids, not all of them are oxidized, so big part of them you'd like to keep for another day because it is impossible to produce the fresh portion of 100% of lipids on the daily basis. Your cells of the stratum cornum, yes, yeah, they are dead, but they are very useful. You should not strip them off every day and every night. And obviously, your microbiome. If you strip off the whole surface from the skin on the daily basis, you will just destroy your microbiome. And we delegate a lot of work to the microbiome. You friendly bacteria, your friendly fungi, they are hydrolyzing sebum produced by your seabum glands. They are hydrating your skin, they are producing antioxidants, they are even producing substances which help you to synthesize more of collagen. So the third thing which we ask from the gentle cleanser, which your luxury skin hotel deserves, that's microbiome friendliness. Skin should be in the calmer, cleaner, more balanced state than before the cleanser. So what I prefer, first of all, non-foaming cleanser, please. Like when we discussed in the episode with amazing Dr. Brendan Kong, and he'd been saying really aphoristically, leave foaming cleansers for you underarms, don't use it on your face. And I totally agree with him. So non-foaming, not soapy, not alkaline, not too acidifying. This texture should be very gentle. Me personally, I prefer emulsions, but it can be milks, lotion, very soft gel, sometimes even the powder which can be mixed with the water, creating this non-foaming, gentle cleansing emulsion to clean your skin. I love cleanser to be enriched with prebiotics and probiotics. For example, we are enriching in matter, we enrich our cleanser with the blend of keratolytical probiotics, which helps to gently and very mildly exfoliate your skin on the daily basis, help your skin to renew. Or for the sensitive skin, we are using prebiotics which feed beneficial anti-inflammatory bacteria. And it is selective, it doesn't help to grow to pro-inflammatory bacteria. So, prebiotics and probiotics in your cleanser, it's like a welcome drink in the hotel lobby. Everyone loves them. It's always better to get a welcome drink to your guest than to be rude to them and just kicking them out to the room. Also, I like cleanser to be enriched with antioxidants. That's never too much of antioxidants in the daily skincare. And it is good to have some southern plant extract like green tea or blueberry or malvasillus or even the simple alloy vera leaf extract, which quietly mop up some of the oxidative mass of the day, because our skin is oxidizing during the daytime, but also during the nighttime, because the night is time of repair, and our skin spends a lot of energy during the nighttime. So antioxidants help to clean the skin and to calm down this oxidative stress, which happens to be constantly firing at our skin. And older we are, more of oxidative stress we have in the skin. The goal after the cleansing is very simple. Your skin should feel comfortable. It should be like a freshly prepared room in the Five Stars Hotel. Clean, calm, lightly perfumed, nicely lightened. If your skin feels too clean, it's like this smell of chlorine in the room. Your housekeeping team is overdoing it. So please don't do it to your skin. The main principle of the daily skincare routine cleansing it is do not harm the skin. Okay, so now when we cleaned the skin, we go for the next step. And my next step in the active longevity skincare routine always been and always will be that antioxidant moisturizing serum. Antioxidants, they act as firefighters and energy drivers in the skin. They are real biohacking workhorses. Modern life, it's so stressful. We have a lot of contact with air pollutants, we have a lot of toxins just flying around us. We are living under the stress. We are living in big cities. We are exposing our skin to the not-so-friendly environment. And also we are aging. And aging is closely associated with oxidative stress as is. So probably the modern life is simply too stressful for our internal antioxidant system. It cannot cope with modern life without external help successfully. And oxidative stress and the inflammation, they really promote all hallmarks of ADM and they accelerate the resolution as an integrative hallmark when all domino falls in the same time. So thinking about the ultraviolet, air pollution, smoking, stress, poor sleep, processed food, and so on and so on, all of them sit little sparks to your skin hotel, so you are constantly in the risk of fire starting in some room or some space. So it's always better to have firefighters ready. And with enough of antioxidants, you can achieve the healthy redox balance in your skin. You can manage the oxidative stress and you can support your mitochondria because mitochondria are very susceptible to the oxidation. And when your mitochondria they are damaged, they start to produce dirty energy. First of all, you have less of energy, but the quality of this energy is also bad because at the same time your mitochondria are producing not only ATP, your energy dollar for the skin, but also free radicals. It makes suffer your protein production. So your cells, fibroblasts living in the deeper skin wire, in the dermis, producing collagen, elastin, and honeycosid, they cannot produce these essential elements enough, and in the same time, they destroy them more, and you have more and more of defragmented proteins in the skin. And also oxidative stress damage the lipids, damage the skin barrier, weakening the whole structure and activate the inflammation. And inflammation means inflammation, so this constant background noise which doesn't make your hotel functional. So without antioxidants, your hotel has no firefighters, has faulty wiring, and has many of small fires in the random corridors and sometimes even in gastromes. So active longevity serums should deliver antioxidants and they should be stabilized and very comfortable for the daily use. Also, I love to use antioxidants in the moisturizer because in the same time it's so easy to improve water holding capacity of the skin. And in the same time, when you have enough of water in your skin, if your skin is well hydrated, it's calm down the inflammation automatically. Water is the natural antagonist of the fire. So think about it in these terms. When you hydrate the skin, you fight the fire naturally. And ideally, your antioxidant serum should target more than one whole mark of aging. So using the antioxidants, you can use specific antioxidants to prevent the skin senescence, to activate mitochondria in the same time, to treat inflammation, to activate the cleaning team of your hotel, activate the autophagy, and so on. So what are big guns of anti-aging antioxidants in the skincare? Best antioxidant for mature and stressed skin, I would say Holy Trinity, Nysinamid, Astaxantine, and Resveratrol. Where you can find them, even if you don't see the name exactly on the label of your skincare bottle, they can still be there because some plants extract naturally rich in this antioxidant. So if you are not finding astaxanthine, respiratrol, or nice name it, look for green tea, green coffee, some berries extract, all berries, they are good for your skin. Red grape, citruses, aloe vera, leaf juice, different types of polyphenols and flavonoids which you can find in plants and flowers, red algae, they are really good, and Astaxantine is derived from the red algae. So all these formulas are mentioned to support not only antioxidant protection, but also mitochondrial energy. And all of them, and Astaxantine and respiratory nice name, they are very useful to restore your cardinal balance in your skin in the same time because they really help to resynchronize your skin and makes your skin use night hours for better repair and better regeneration. So don't be scared for using antioxidant every day. I am absolutely sure, and I insist that we should use antioxidant skincare on the daily basis. Think about them as a maintenance brigade, as firefighters, as housekeepers helping you efficient and super professional cleaners. You need them every day on work, right? And if you only add one step to your minimalistic skincare routine, I suggest it would be antioxidant step. And you will see results not overnight, but in a few months, you will really understand why you are using it and why you will never live without it. So let's say then you are cleansing gently your skin twice a day, and you are applying antioxidant serum or antioxidant lightweight moisturizer every time after cleaning the skin. Still, that I will say for mature skin, it would be the step three at minimum, it would be the moisturizer. Let's talk about it. The moisturizer is the most misunderstood product category in the whole world. First of all, people expect from the moisturizer some miracle. And I met a lot of women who asked on the consultation to prescribe them the best moisturizer without thinking that very probably they should change the cleanser in the first place. Because cleanser can be even more important because harsh cleanser could just destroy results of good, expensive, smart skincare so easily. So if you start to build your skincare routine, still you should build the foundation in the first place. But when we come to the moisturizer, we should understand then moisturizer is like some kind of climate control in your skin hotel. Some building, the naturally warm and humid environment, some building are built in the naturally cold and dry, and so on. And obviously, your genetic blueprint plays a role. Your lipid production, your natural moisturizing factors, your genetic characteristic of the collagen synthesis and so on, they create this unique metabolome of your skin. But choosing the moisturizer, you should respect the environment when you live. It's kind of smart remote control. And if you live in the wet, humid, warm climate, you need to find something very lightweighted. If you live in the north during the winter time, very probably you need much richer texture. But the moisturizer for active longevity can be simple. Even if it just provides you gentle natural occlusion and basic hydration, literally just limiting the transepidermal water loss or water evaporation from the skin surface, it's already good. You need it because we need to control the water evaporation. So even simple moisturizers, they are scientifically proven to be useful for active longevity strategy. I read one very interesting research when two groups of people of really late age, like 80 plus demography. And in this 80 plus group of elderly people, all of them they've been experiencing some very typical age-related changes in their body. The inflammation level was very high, so blaton-wise is been showing it. And one group of these people got very simple, not expensive, moisturizers for their face and the body. And they've been asked to apply moisturizer on the face and the body twice a day. Other group of people didn't get moisturizers, and nothing else changed between two groups. And in one month's time, once again, both groups have been tested. And you know that second group has been using moisturizer. They've been rejuvenated. The inflammation level was lower. They've been less in pain, they feel better, they've been more active. Even the cognitive ability has been slightly better. Why it happened? Because the skin is the largest human organ. When your largest organ is dry, inflammed, and evaporating water all the time, it is interconnected to all other organs to your body. And this inflammation is spreading all around you. If you could calm down the skin, if you could hydrate the skin, the hydration of the skin, remember the water is the natural opponent of the fire. If you could hydrate your skin better, you slow down the inflammation, not only in your skin, but in the body in total. And even simple moisturizer can do it. But when you're using the simple moisturizer, it's worth the thing: can I make it a little bit better? Because the moisturizer could be very multifunctional. It could combine the hydration with some smart peptides, which can improve your altered communication between cells. It can get prebiotics and probiotics, so it can help you rebalance your microbiome. This biosis is one of the hallmarks of aging. It could also get another antioxidant. There are never too much of antioxidants for your skin. It could help to re-energize your skin. It can really create this long-lasting strategy for hydration with smart ingredients. So it can contain plant stem cells and growth factors and biofermented plant extract, mushrooms, algae, not only glycerin or some film-making water holding properties of the product. So, antioxidant serum with multifunctional moisturizer can touch several hallmarks at once. First of all, good moisturizer with the serum, they help you to restore the barrier integrity. And paired with a good cleanser, when you do not damage your barrier, you help your precious lipids on place, and you restore and repair your barrier function on the daily basis, you slow down the inflammation in the skin, you reduce this background noise, you improve the communication between cells, and you really rejuvenate the skin. As simple as this. Comfort means a lot for your skin. But your skin feels comfortable only if it experiences less of inflammation, less of barrier disruption, and fewer reason for your skin hotel to be disturbed to ring the alarm. So keep your skin hotel happy. Probably speaking about moisturizer and serum, I cannot avoid to mention, let's say, the elephant in the room. And the name of this elephant is retinol. There are a lot of retinol-based moisturizers on the market and a lot of retinol-based serums. And many of women who are experiencing age-related changes on the skin, they are buying this product and they are using this product regularly, even if they are not very comfortable with the use of them. I've seen innumerable TikTok and Instagram video and reels when skin professionals, skin enthusiasts, influencers, they are trying to teach people how to use retinol comfortably. Mix with cream, actually, bad idea. If this ingredient is so aggressive, then it makes your skin feel uncomfortable when you're using it on the daily basis. Maybe it's worth to think twice before you apply it on your skin. Yes, retinol, it is an amazing ingredient, if used smartly. It's appeared in the dermatologist's practice largely in the 80s. You remember 80s? Time of ABBA? It was a great time with no mobile phones, with no internet, with no frequent travels around the world. The world was absolutely different. One of the few parts of the world which didn't change in the people's eyes, it is retinol and vitamin C in the skincare. We didn't have peptides, we didn't have prebiotics, probiotics, we didn't speak about microbiome in the 80s. We didn't understand the skin as we understand it now. And retinol is very efficient to treat severe sun damage of the skin. Sometimes for treating scars. But wrinkles, we can treat them gently now and even more efficiently. We have different ways to treat acne because now we understand that acne problem is closely related to the dysbiosis of the skin. So we address microbiome more than we address Sibum glands. And I'm sorry, retinal addresses Sibum glands, not the microbiome at all. So I am a cosmetic safety expert in the first place. So I have the safety first mindset, and that's why I want you to see the whole picture. Why I am so worried about this retinal use in all categories of patients, clients, and customers at all ages? Because it is too large. Retinol sensitizes the skin. Retinol makes your skin more vulnerable to the ultraviolet white, to the pollution, to the stress, to the smoking, to the even psychological stress. Your skin is more fragile during the whole period when you are using retinol and a few weeks, even a few months later. During the sunny months, it's almost impossible to protect retinol-treated skin from the ultraviolet. Yes, in my native Estonia, maybe in Scandinavian country, but if you live in Florida, California, Spain, Greece, or Australia, it is a nightmare. It is realistic. So daily strong retinol, speaking in hotel metaphors, when you are using daily strong retinol skincare combination in your skin, it's like anti-aging at any cost. It doesn't look active longevity strategy for me. When you treat your skin with retinol-based formulation, it's like you are trying to buy these precious silk cartains for your hotel and amazing marble floor. At the day when everything arrives, you understand, then it is difficult using it without any damage on the daily basis. So what you should do, you must keep all your guests away because your new decor is so fragile. You never open the windows because the dust from the outdoors will damage your seal curtains. You never afford anyone to roll the suitcase on your marble floor. Or walking in the high hills? Probably not. Probably you want your hotel will be resilient, will be sustainable. You don't want to create the museum when people are just going with naked feet or in some special warm, not traumatizing for the four shoes. And retinol transforms your skin hotel to this museum, which is very difficult to use and which is very easy to damage. So please think twice. And my rule is very simple. Good moisturizer for active longevity should increase your skin resilience, should make your skin less vulnerable, should replenish your storages, should activate the energy in your skin. It shouldn't belong to the high-risk anti-aging category. It should be in your daily longevity toolbox for many years. So when you have gentle cleanser, antioxidant serum, gold moisturizer, the last step is a sunscreen. And sunscreen is also kind of controversial, probably the most controversial part, because yes, you do need sunscreen. We should protect our skin from the ultraviolet. If you are listening to the active longevity series of our podcast, you know that in every episode speaking about each hallmark of aging, I'm always saying that ultraviolet is promoting this hallmark of aging because ultraviolet is the universal enemy. The overexposition to the ultraviolet makes your skin age. It accelerates the natural speed of aging because it activates every hallmark of the aging. But in the same time, we need this measured exposure to the ultraviolet because our skin needs the light. Our body needs the natural sunlight. We don't want to be damaged, but we cannot live without it. That's the paradox of the human life. And no, you don't need using 50 plus sunscreen 24-7, 365 days in a year, regardless of the context. Sunscreen protection is situational. So think about it once again in terms of the hotel. Would you insist then the hotel in Greenland and hotel on the Mediterranean will use exactly the same insulation, the same heating, the same air conditioning setting? Probably not. Because you understand, in Greenland, you don't need to cool down the air. And in Mediterranean, oh my God, you very much need it during the summer. So ultraviolet exposure is just as situational because it is geographical. If your skin is highly sensitized, because probably you've been using cratinol-based skincare, or you've been using some medication. Unfortunately, a lot of drugs they are sensitizing for the skin. For example, antidepressants, oral contraceptives, some anti-inflammatory and painkillers, they can synthesize your skin and also it can be simply the age or the previous sun damage, which make your skin more vulnerable. If your skin is sensitized, then yes, you need the daily, serious, high-level sun protection. If your skin is more or less healthy, if it is comfortable, not red, not itchy, not inflammed, your sunscreen strategy can and should be more flexible. So you should take in account the climate, the latitude when you are living, lifestyle, and obviously U-wear index, which you can find in all meteor applications on your phone. When the ultraviolet index is lower than four, even World Health Organization doesn't recommend to apply the sunscreen constantly. If the ultraviolet index is higher, you definitely should apply the sunscreen. In Nordic countries like Norway, Sweden, or my native Estonia, during the winter it's simply impossible to get tanned. Everyone who tried knows about it. You can spend the whole day skiing in a winter day in Estonia and still you will be red, you will be tired, you will not get tanned. Because we are living in high latitude and we are living in so-called ultraviolet polar night. Days are so short and sun is so low, then ultraviolet barely reaches the ground. That's why we use vitamin D supplementation during the winter, not the sunscreen. If you are living in Miami or Australian Queensland or Middle East or Mediterranean region, the story is absolutely different. The sun is intense during much of the year. The ultraviolet index can be high 365 days a year. So daily sunscreen use will be absolutely logical. But I always recommend to have three sunscreens instead of one. Because our lifestyle during the different stage of our life is very different. If you live like most of us working women, you know then in the working day you do not spend a lot of time outdoors, right? Because what is a typical work day? We commute, we maybe stand 20-30 minutes outside if we are lucky, taking a coffee, and we spend the rest of the time indoors or in the transport. So the light, comfortable sunscreen BB type, maybe makeup foundation with the level of sunscreen protection like 2530 can replace the heavy sunscreen easily. The what I have personally used for about 25 years, maybe 30 years of my life, because even when I've been living in the south of France, I worked all day. And so I didn't expose myself to the sun during the working days. So this light and comfortable sunscreen, BB cream or uh makeup foundation, makes you feel good. It is comfortable. You can find the formulation which is friendly to your biohacking, active longevity skincare routine, which can be applied easily on your moisturizer. And it is a long plastic solution. It should feel and should look like the normal part of your light daily makeup or your light daily skincare, not like a thick mask of 50 plus sunscreen. In the weekends, the story is different. On weekends, many of us are lucky to spend more time outdoors with friends, with family. Maybe you play in the park, maybe you spend the time in playgrounds with your children, maybe you have a long, nice lunch outdoors, maybe you're visiting some market or park or so on. Even if the sun does not feel very intense, and even the ultraviolet index is somewhere lower than four, like two or three, I recommend applying sunscreen if you plan to stay outside for more than about 40-50 minutes. If the ultraviolet index is four and higher, you definitely need to apply sunscreen even if you spend short time outdoors. So what I choose there, if the ultraviolet index is not higher than 6, the higher protection, level 50 with ultraviolet A and ultraviolet B coverage, but still in the nice texture, which doesn't make you feel greasy and doesn't feel heavy or suffocating for your skin. If you have a tendency for oilness of the skin, if you've been suffering from acne, if you are prone to the inflammation, if you're suffering from rosacea or any other dermatitis, it's always better to go for oil-free formulation of sunscreen. They are not commedogenic and they are much lighter. And it should not be 50 plus. Only if you are living in some area when the sun is very intense. But if the sun is very intense, I really vividly recommend you to stay in the shadow. Do not go to the open sun as much as possible and using the clothing protection, using huts and using big sunglasses. Another story it is holidays. For holidays, you need this heavy, waterproof, most powerful sunscreen. Especially if you love active holidays, if you spend the time at the beach, if you do some mountain hiking, if you are skiing in mountains during the winter, if you are sailing, if you are doing some outdoor sport, running, tennis, swimming, whatever, you need this water-resistant 50 plus sunscreen formula. Now we have a lot of them. Very often they are branded and marketed as sport sunscreen, and you don't care about looking too shiny at the beach, I hope. And protection must be robust. So you could forget a little bit about how it looks and focus on how it works for your skin. So these three types of sunscreen offer you full-size protection for every situation of your life. So working day lightweight product for office life, five days a week, one weekend product, which is more intense but still comfortable for two days a week during the weekend, and one holiday sport product which you take with you going on holiday and which you will not use better holidays if you are not going to the mountain or if you're not playing tennis every morning under the intense sun. It is not excessive. It's like have different clothing for different situations. I hope you have more than one dress, right? So you can't have more than one sunscreen. So, my idea of the active longevity skincare routine, it is the minimalism with the brain, kind of smart minimalism. Not twelve steps, not nine steps. You don't need to change everything every month. Actually, experiments with skincare should be careful and should be well controlled. So you need to build this smart, intelligent, core, basic foundation for your skincare. If you need something else like eye care, yes, I definitely think that everyone from the mid-30s should care about the skin in the eye area, so should get the eye care, eye cream. You can add it to this existing foundation of your skincare routine. You could add the cream for the neck, you could add some active serum and active cores. For your mature skin, you can add some active longevity serum or active care product on the daily basis after applying your antioxidant serum and before applying your moisturizer and the sunscreen. But this basis gentle cleanser, antioxidant moisturizing serum, good moisturizer, and good smart situational sunscreen, it is your foundation which should be always with you. Everything else, it's an optional decor. It's beautiful, fun can be useful, it really creates the impression, it's very lovely to get it all. But the three-step active longevity routine, it's the walls and ceiling and the floor of your luxury skin hotel. It's what helps your skin hotel function successfully on the daily basis. If you enjoy extra steps, great. But you have a right to stay minimalistic. So the key is to remember it is you, skin hotel. You are the director. So you decide what you will use and how you will invest your energy, your finance, your time in your skincare. And remember, skincare it is a self-care. You should lead a happily, a long healthy life in your skin hotel. If you have any question about the products are you using, about the products which you are thinking to use, if you have any question about Mether Skincare routine, please leave comments on the platform when you are listening to this podcast or on our socials, Middle Beauty or Dr. Tina Medair. I will be happy to discuss with you. And like, share, tell about podcast The Skin We Live In to your friends. I hope it will help you to live better. Thank you for joining us today on the Matter Beauty Podcast. 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